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Myo Ka · Sep 21, 2005, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Hockster

Bumping for subscription.

Will be joining soon, just collecting a few for required items.

We look forward to working with you.

catator · Sep 21, 2005, 04:55 AM // 04:55

I would also like to defend LBS. She makes some very good work against many scammer who damage runner.

I will join this academy because the idea is really brilliant

( Saddened for English but i am French and not still bilingual ^^)

conker · Sep 21, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

lmao are u that desperate for fissure armor?

Hockster · Sep 21, 2005, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by catator

( Saddened for English but i am French and not still bilingual ^^)

Don't appologize. Your English is better than most who speak it as a first language.

capitalist · Sep 21, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Juliana Mizuhara

Lmao, you still posting in these forums despite the fact that most people on here think youre a twerp? Get lost kid.

I love the use of "twerp"

Haywires Destiny · Sep 21, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

What does it take to get 1 private lesson? (for mines -> copper -> citidal)

IGN: Haywires Destiny

Akhilleus · Sep 21, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Hockster

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Originally Posted by catator

I( Saddened for English but i am French and not still bilingual ^^)

Don't appologize. Your English is better than most who speak it as a first language.

just look at our president.

TomD22 · Sep 21, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

What a great idea this academy is. I should probably take the piss for taking this game just a little too seriously...but actually i'm really impressed with the thoroughness

Seems a little on the expensive side, though - most runners i see advertising for under 2k even for a long run. Even multiplied by a full party of ppl, with all the competition, i can't believe anyone could earn all that money back.

conker · Sep 21, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Juliana Mizuhara

Lmao, you still posting in these forums despite the fact that most people on here think youre a twerp? Get lost kid.

lol dude, are u still reading on "last post" for my name and then talking shit?

Levi Garett · Sep 21, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Haywires Destiny

What does it take to get 1 private lesson? (for mines -> copper -> citidal)

IGN: Haywires Destiny

I did some toying around last night with droknars->citadel run. Not much luck past the first warp. Those guys put crippling anguish on you and you'll have -12 or so health regen. Whatever the regen was it overpowered a +8 breeze and +4 mending. The only way I could stay out of negative regen was by using IWAY+breeze+mending (after 4 henchies died that is).

Can this even be done? If so, what would the price be? I'd like to get my ranger rushed up to the citadel for the 15k armor.

Thanks!

capitalist · Sep 21, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by TomD22

What a great idea this academy is. I should probably take the piss for taking this game just a little too seriously...but actually i'm really impressed with the thoroughness

Seems a little on the expensive side, though - most runners i see advertising for under 2k even for a long run. Even multiplied by a full party of ppl, with all the competition, i can't believe anyone could earn all that money back.

My experience with the "2K" runners has generally been poor.

Hockster · Sep 21, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

just look at our president.

Yours, not mine.

Erik The Fearless · Sep 21, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Lady Blue Steel:

Whats your death rate on Droks run? Be honext now :-) Mines about 75%. I mostly die in Lornars when I get swarmed and no time to rest between mobs. Snakes is easy up until that darn Heretic at the end, or unless someone is lagging and I get jammed in the caves. Do you zone in Grenths ? I only have 9 in healing for 3 points Mend. I have major absorption and vigor but only minors tac and strength. Usually I have 14 tact 9 healing and rest in strength. Maybe its better to put more in healing but you sacrifice tactics which means less in your zero energy healing sig and less time for balanced. Perhaps length of balanced isn't as big of a deal as the hexes and I don't use healing breeze. I realize more should be pt into healing the sucess rate is. My shield is like yours but is while in stance instead of while enchanted. I should probably pump it up to .

I can do Droks->War Camp and War Camp->Citadel if I have another high level W/Mo or other character who can survive till we get to the hexers.

Anyone who says they can solo Iron Mines-> Copperhammer is FOS. We had 8 L20 and we tried 2 times before giving up and fighting through. I guess War Camp->Copperhammer is easier although again you would need at least 2 pro runners.

I did run a guildy and someone else who paid from Ice Caves->Grotto though. Ice caves is very henchable. Paid me 7k (promised me 20k and they another guy came in and he said I'll give you half, but then the other guy dropped out after dying a couple times in Grotto). I died a couple times in grotto before I realized the trick. You can hug the wall and and have your henchies follow and they meatshield the Mursaat. The guy was pretty patient so I didn't miind not being paid the full 10k as it wasn't a "pro" run.

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BTW If you are trying to run to maximize profit I do not feel sup runes are worth it. Like I said the only thing that kills me with major runes is getting swarmed and I doubt +10 to my health or -1 to dmg is going to make that big of a difference. You will be hard pressed to find people who will pay 3K+ for a droks run anyway. Best to just adverstise "3K for Droks run -500g for each death" and take your chances.

EDIT AGAIN:

I just realize the way to beat that stupid Crippling Anguish is Healing breeze. Buh bye Remove/Smite Hex.

Blue Steel · Sep 21, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by conker

lmao are u that desperate for fissure armor?

I have fissure armor on 3 of my four characters and have wanted to get fissure for my fourth without dipping into a number of "strategic wealth reserves" like selling anything from my private collections (that not even my closest friends, guild, or academy members have seen). I am not desperate for FoW armor, but it is the only thing in the game I have not yet done or owned (well, not for all 4 characters yet), so it is a natural next step, and while the resources to do it have been there for a long, long time, I do not believe in farming and wanted to do it in a way that contributed to the community, rather than detracting. The real reason I charge for my build and tips is to protect them from over use, nerfing, and to ensure a certain basic understanding of the game among my academy students.

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Originally Posted by Haywires Destiny

What does it take to get 1 private lesson? (for mines -> copper -> citidal)

IGN: Haywires Destiny

Hey Haywires: I don't do private lessons for anyone not in my academy. Sorry. You could always buy the run and pick up what you can from seeing me do it . . .

There are a lot of things I do that who wouldn't see, probably, though.

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Originally Posted by LeviGarrett

Can this even be done? If so, what would the price be? I'd like to get my ranger rushed up to the citadel for the 15k armor.

It can be done, I charge 35K for it (IronMines>Copperhammer>Citadel) as a party price. Party prices work very nicely for me, because those with limited means can find others to share the cost and not be entirely cut off from this premium service, but those with wealth and limited time frequently just pay the party fare. It is an excellent business model that works for everyone. I have moved the pricing information from an older thread into the first post of this thread so people can see it.

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Lady Blue Steel:

Whats your death rate on Droks run? Be honext now :-) Mines about 75%. I mostly die in Lornars when I get swarmed and no time to rest between mobs. Snakes is easy up until that darn Heretic at the end, or unless someone is lagging and I get jammed in the caves. Do you zone in Grenths ?
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Anyone who says they can solo Iron Mines-> Copperhammer is FOS. We had 8 L20 and we tried 2 times before giving up and fighting through. I guess War Camp->Copperhammer is easier although again you would need at least 2 pro runners.

Erik, you sound like someone who could really benefit from the academy: an experienced runner with a good understanding of the game just looking for those last few tips to perfect the the skills. I have soloed from Iron Mines to Copperhammer and do so regularly, but I recommend less experienced runners take another person, fight half way, or join the academy and learn a few helpful secrets.

My death rate on drok's runs pre-update was literally zero. My death rate since the major update that introduced deep freeze hexes and a few more aggressive, harder hitting, and larger mobs, is in the low single digits. I have never, ever, ever in the history of my running career failed a run, and precious few have ever seen Lady Blue Steel die (and even then, I can do the droks run from start to finish with 60% death penalty - I did so just to see if I could). The only time I ever die past lonar's is in a lag spike that traps me. If I am not trapped, nothing in Snake's Dance is even a challenge, so warping to the footprint is entirely optional.

I hope that answers your questions, everyone, without revealing anything too important.

Levi Garett · Sep 21, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

It can be done, I charge 35K for it (IronMines>Copperhammer>Citadel) as a party price.

Beautiful. I'll try to get a group up and page you about it. 5k a piece is not bad at all for that run (with 7 ppl).

Just curious do you go the north route through Talus or the other way around?

Akhilleus · Sep 21, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by LeviGarrett

Beautiful. I'll try to get a group up and page you about it. 5k a piece is not bad at all for that run (with 7 ppl).

Just curious do you go the north route through Talus or the other way around?

i will join you guys; i have a new axe warrior that is overdue for citadel plate with grotto glads switch (lvl 10

), though hes not yet at droks (been waiting for a runner from beacons)

Blue Steel · Sep 21, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by LeviGarrett

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

It can be done, I charge 35K for it (IronMines>Copperhammer>Citadel) as a party price.

Beautiful. I'll try to get a group up and page you about it. 5k a piece is not bad at all for that run (with 7 ppl).

Just curious do you go the north route through Talus or the other way around?

Wait a second, sorry LeviGarrett: I think we are talking about two different runs. It's my fault, I misread what people were talking about. The price I quoted is 35K for IronMines to Citadel via Copperhammer (as stated), but you guys are talking about droks to Citadel, which I actually charge 60K for. My sincerest apologies for any confusion. As for the Drok's to Citadel run, having timed it various routes and using multiple methods, I have determined that the fastest and most reliable way to make the run is not through the ice dome. Previously I would actually run to ice caves, beat the mission quickly for you, and then run from iron mines to copperhammer and the up to citadel. Now that Grenth's footprint is on the map, I actually prefer to go through rankor to war camp and up to citadel, but I can do it however the customer prefers for 60K (droks to ice caves to iron mine via mission to copperhammer to citadel; droks to rankor to war camp to citadel; or droks to copperhammer via icedome and then citadel). There is some fighting involved with each route. People who want to get there the fastest generally ask for the war camp route, and those who want to unlock the most new locations on their map generally ask for the iron mines route. Almost no one asks for the ice dome route, but it is actually pretty quick too, but I fight through portions of it to make sure we don't have a problem regardless of the spawns.

Let me know if you are still interested.

Erik The Fearless · Sep 21, 2005, 07:49 PM // 19:49

The good thing about the while in stance shield is that Balanced can never be stripped unlike Mending, so it is more flexible. If Mending is getting stripped, and I don't have time to recast it, that means I am in trouble and probably need Balanced or Sprint anyways. And that max shield is probably pretty expensive whereas the shield I use is a easy desert collectors item. I do keep the collectors 12/-2/+45 while enchanted shield for griffon farming however. I don't see how having all the other equipment helps you that much(esp. your perfect for weapon, whats an extra 5 health. The only time I get killed is when I can't escape a mob or get jammed due to glitches and the cave, and having extra health and armor just means I die slower.

Any chance you could post a video of your fabled Iron Mines->Copperhammer Run or 60% DP Droks run ? I can see getting through snakes at 60 DP(I've done it at 45) if you don't catch the mesmer but Lornars ? Perhaps if you get lucky and don't have to deal with 2 consecutive mobs pass the worm cave or the vallye past the second group of worms.

Another thing I would like to see is if anyone else but W/Mo can do the Droks run reliably.... And I would kill for a non-warrior primary.

Can't really afford the academy (no ectos/shards) so unless you want to discount your price for an intermediate runner I'm not sure theres much more to discuss.

Erik The Fearless · Sep 21, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

Wait a second, sorry LeviGarrett: I think we are talking about two different runs. It's my fault, I misread what people were talking about. The price I quoted is 35K for IronMines to Citadel via Copperhammer (as stated), but you guys are talking about droks to Citadel, which I actually charge 60K for. ... Previously I would actually run to ice caves, beat the mission quickly for you, and then run from iron mines to copperhammer and the up to citadel....

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense Droks->Citadel through War Camp is like 10x easier than Droks->Citadel through Copperhammer. I've done Droks->Citadel though not completely solo(had another warrior with me althogh I never tested it solo - may be doable if I practice). I'm just not seeing you SOLOING IronMines->Copperhammer. You get mobbed, slowed, hexed, knocked down way too much and even if you bring all the counters (and there isn't really a good way to remove multiple hexes) you get killed pretty quickly regardless of your l33t equipment. I would really like to see a vid to prove me wrong, even if its only partial. Show us getting through the first significant mob in the Fronzen Forest when you exit from Iron Mines (the first Tundra Giant mob doesn't count).

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There is some fighting involved with each route.

Well then thats not a run then, is it ? :-) You can fight to War Camp with henchmen and avoid paying the fee. The henchmen at Rankor are quite capable (L20). Granted it might be somewhat slower because you can run Snake Dance. The problem for low levels is getting to Rankor. If you are smart theres a way to sneak around a few mobs although you have to be careful about aggroing. As a low level this also gives you the chance to elite cap in snake dance on the way.

Blue Steel · Sep 21, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Erik The Fearless

Well then thats not a run then, is it ? :-)

Let me be absolutely clear and answer questions without revealing too much: it is absolutely possible to solo run from iron mines to copperhammer without ever swinging a sword. It is absolutely possible to solo run from rankor to war camp without swinging a sword and I have done both many, many times. I have never tried to run through ice dome without fighting; maybe I should some time, but with those kinds of huge groups of heretics in a tight space, in an area that doesn't have to be crossed to complete a world tour, I have never seen the need to run it; I can fight it or avoid it. The only fighting I do from Drok's to citadel via war camp is after war camp as we head to the zone point near citadel (tight and congested mobs occassionally). While it is entirely possible to RUN all the way to citadel, there are times when a mob of monsters can literally plug every open space and make it physically impossible to pass. Rather than leave anything to chance, I will kill a couple of small mobs when taking people to certain locations to guaruntee quick and safe arrival. I call it a run, just like I call it a RUN through thirsty river when I kill everything for you so you can just sit at the beginning or die and watch. Run is the best word for it, though I will sometimes say I am "powering" people through an area or a mission, to imply that while it may or may not be possible to run (some areas and missions where I chose to "power" I could run) I will be fighting some for one reason or another. I hope that clarifies.